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    My New System

    I would first like to first say that this is by far one of the best sites that I have found in the past 2 months of doing research. I finally decided to register to tell you guys what I'll be building to see if you had any suggestions.

    First off I live in Central Illinois and plan on doing an aquaponics system in our house so i don't plan on making a huge system. If this one works out well I'll be building a 275+ gallon FT system outside next summer. That being said here is what my plans are.

    Lighting:
    I'll be using fluorescent lighting to cover a 4x4 square foot area. The new T-5 HO grow lights look really nice for the job of growing veggies indoors.

    GB:
    This will be 4x4 foot area. Constructed of 2x12 to make a 8 inch deep grow bed. I plan on using a bell siphon to drain out the grow bed once it reaches 6 inches (want at least 1 inch under the grow medium to keep algae from growing). Since it's indoors I plan on installing 2 bell siphons just in case one fails it doesn’t drain my tanks and spill all over onto concrete floor. 54mm sheet of pond grade fish safe lineing.

    Medium: I plan on using the Red Lava Rock from Lowes it's only $3 for .5 cubic feet and I'll need approximately 19 bags. I'll first test it out to make sure the PH doesn’t go to wacky but anyone have experience with this lava rock? I assume it's acts a lot like expanded clay.
    here is a link to it:
    http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...568&lpage=none

    FT:
    For the fish tank I plan on using 2 55 gallon totes. I opted for 2 separate fish tanks so I can keep my goldfish from my pond in 1 tote and bluegill/whatever fish I feel like in the other tote. Then when summer comes I can switch out the goldfish for bluegill for something else.

    Pump:
    I plan on using just a 200 gph fountain pump at 3' which should fill up my
    GB in 10-15 minutes. The pump will be in a 55 gallon tote as well that is fed from the bottom fish tank by gravity.

    Aeration:
    I plan on using a 100-150 gallon fish tank air pump and run 1 line to one of the 55 gallon totes and the 2nd line to the other 55 gallon tote.

    My over all setup will be the grow bed above the 3 totes. The water will be pumped into the grow bed for 15 minutes and off for 45 minutes on at timer. The water will then fill up the grow bed and drain after it reaches the 6 inch water mark on the bell siphon. The bell siphon will drain the water into the 1st fish tank which will be 4 inches above the 2nd fish tank which will be 4 inches above the pump tank. I plan on having the totes tiered so that once the water gets to a certain mark on the tote it feeds the water into the system below it. So Tote1 (fish) once hits 50 gallons starts to gravity drain into Tote2 (fish) which once hits 50 gallons will drain into Tote3 (my pump tank).

    I would prefer to use all 3 totes as fish tanks but from what I have read the medium will take up approximately 30-40% of the volume of the grow bed. That means that the grow bed will take approximately 35.9-41.9 gallons to fill up to a level where it will start draining via bell siphon. This would leave my 3rd tote sitting at 9-15 gallons which I am assuming would be dangerously low water level for fish to be in for 5-15 minutes every hour as the water cycles. However, I have though I could use this last tote for fingerlings...any suggestions?


    My overall goal is to get some veggies/greens over the winter and learn a lot about how I want to do a much bigger system come summer time.

    Hope all that made sense if not here is a picture of how I plan on doing it overall:
    http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AZ...azhndA& hl=en

    All sugestions welcome.

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    Well after a little discussion I think I might opt for an IBC tote 275 gallon...however it'l be in the 200 gallon range once I cut it down sot hat it fits in the doorway. I figure if I do it right I might just be able to use the top part for the grow bed insted and the bottom for the fish tank...need to find one at a decent price now...come on craigslist!

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    I found used totes by looking in the yellow pages under "Barrels and Drums" and in most major cities and you will find companies who recondition plastic barrels and totes. I picked up 3 in the Salt Lake City area for $50 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwestwood View Post
    I found used totes by looking in the yellow pages under "Barrels and Drums" and in most major cities and you will find companies who recondition plastic barrels and totes. I picked up 3 in the Salt Lake City area for $50 each.
    Ended up finding a 275 gallon one for $80. How hard is it to cut the metal cages on these? And any tips for cutingt he plastic? I'll be picking it up monday so I'll have a little time to plan what I need before I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by POC3442 View Post
    Ended up finding a 275 gallon one for $80. How hard is it to cut the metal cages on these? And any tips for cutingt he plastic? I'll be picking it up monday so I'll have a little time to plan what I need before I get it.
    i cut mines with a circular saw and a cutting disc. make sure you wear eye protection!

    -hellbent
    http://www.aquaponicsinparadise.com/

    current build:
    modified barrelponics
    160 gallon in-ground pond
    two 250 gallon IBC
    300 gallon 'monster' plywood fishtank
    plants: taro, lilikoi, roma tomato, manoa lettuce, strawberry, kale, bok choy, swiss chard, celery, chinese parsley, eggplant, okinawan sweet potato, watercress, cabbage, and azolla
    fish: 1 feeder comet, 6 blue tilapia, 30 gold tilapia, 60 fingerlings, 50 fry, 13 chinese catfish, 3 koi, 2 malaysian prawns

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    I had 2 different kinds of cages, one I cut with cable cutters, the other, I put a metal cut off blade in my circular saw.

    To cut the plastic, I just used a fine toothed circular saw blade and yes wear safety glasses, the plastic flies.

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    I use a diamond impregnated tile cutting disc in a grinder
    Fish Grown Out - 45 Rainbow Trout, 500 - 820g each.
    Fish In Tank - 0 Black Bream, 800 Silver Perch, 150 Rainbow Trout.
    My AP System
    My AP Photos

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    The last plastic barrel I cut in half was a breeze, just used the standard metal disc on my small angle grinder...

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    Well just an update for you guys. I could only find 1 IBC tote in the whole area unless I wanted to drive 3-4 hours away. So, I got a 275 gallon IBC tote yesterday that has been used for holding grease. It was not clean and so far has been a pain to clean. I was able to cut the steal frame to size today and cut open the tote so I could try and clean the inside tomorrow. Looks like it’ll hold 250 gallons in the end with a 8 inch deep grow bed. A pressure washer w/soap at the car wash doesn’t seem to do much. I guess I'll just have to stick to grease cutting Dawn soap to get the inside really clean. I think the wife isn't super happy I can't get the outside really clean...but at least it's not sticky anymore.

    If you guys have any suggestions how to clean it out easier I’m all ears. I’ll post pics once I get it cleaned off.

    Once it’s clean I can start building the frame for the top grow bed part of the tote to sit in(so it looks pleasant to the eye). The hard part I think will be cutting out a hole in tote for the grow bed for the bell siphon. Other than that should be cake.

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    Well Figure I would give an update...

    So a week ago or so I got my IBC tote that was food grade, dirty and last stored grease/oil. Let me just say if anyone ever is going to get a IBC tote only get one that stored grease/oil as a last resort. It was a royal pain in the butt to clean took me 3 days about 10-15 hours of scrubbing. That being said I now have clean GB and FT curing with aquarium grade silicon tonight. I put silicon all around the screw on parts of the lid to prevent and chance of leaking. I also sealed off the bottom drain spout. Since this will be indoors I also made a nice box for the GB to sit in so it is a little more appealing to the eye (for the wife).

    Things left to do:
    Make Bell Siphon
    Cut out hole in GB for Bell Siphon and get it working.
    Get Pump
    Get Aerator
    Get 1/2" River Rock
    Clean 1/2" River Rock
    Get Black Crappie (going with 100)
    Figure out what type of food to feed Crappie to get them to grow the fastest.
    Get Growlight

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