The Sword of God - perpetual motion

[Jonty]

Hi all,

This may be a useless bit of information or possibly what we need to power our pumps etc for free. An Australian, Archer Quinn has developed a perpetual motion machine that basically runs by gravity and magnetic force. A number of persons have built it and put videos out claiming that it works.

Archer has a deep hatred of the Nazi Australian Govt (his statement) but has a deeper loathing of the oil companies. This is the reason he has put the plans and videos on his site for free.

Here is the link. Be warned - there is some heavy reading (and resulting head scratching) http://www.surphzup.com/index.html

Please don't flame me, I'm only the messenger. When I get the time, I will attempt to have a go.

Regards
Jonty

[inzane]

No he hasnt, hes lying.

[Murray]

What about this vid Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9UKcGTcfwo&NR=1)

[Outbackozzie]

Would be intersting to see how much torque it had...

[inzane]

Do you think hes a friend of this japanese guy who has invented free energy too?

http://www.rexresearch.com/minato/minato.htm

Guys theres one thing thats sure in this world. Ain't NOTHING free. They have been trying to sell perpetual motion with pseudo science since the victorian days. Now as there is an energy crisis all the conmen are coming out to play. Why is he basing his work on archimedes? They could base it on quantum mechanics and be a lot more up to date!

Have you heard of fusion power? It is based around balancing a plasma in a magnetic containment field, like putting the sun in a box. Its quite tricky and many of the worlds finest minds are getting paid lots of money to figure out how to align the magnets. If you could get 'free' energy just from aligning magnets, I'm sure one of them would have noticed. But dont worry cheap solar cells are on the way! Three more years maybe and you aussies will be sorted!

[Jonty]

Inzane,

Hope they hurry up with cheaper energy. Maybe grain producing countries could form a grain cartel similiar to OPEC and sell grain for say $140 a bushell. Bet the price of oil would plummet. Funny, but you can't eat oil.

And lets not forget Steorn, http://www.steorn.com/Default.aspx They have supposedly invented a motor - orbo - that produces clean, free constant energy. They set up a demo in London and boo hoo, the heat from the lights made it malfunction.

Solar would be the way to go, especially here in Qld.

Regards
Jonty

[echidna]

There's FREE energy everywhere. The sun is continually bombarding us with energy that is free - it doesn't cost us anything. Converting it into another form that we can easily use is the problem. That is where the cost comes in. You can grow food or fuel using cheap natural conversion units called plants. You can convert the cheap natural conversion units with other cheap natural conversion units called animals and get transportation or food. You can burn the fuel and have heat,or using machines transportation or power generation.

As the cost of petroleum rises it will allow older fuels to make a comeback and newer fuels to appear. The only thing constant is change.

[Hamish]

Funny, but you can't eat oil.

Solar would be the way to go, especially here in Qld.

But most people eat oil every day - most if not all commercially produced food is fertilised with petroleum based fertilizers, transported with oil, in plastic containers (made of oil), purchased at supermarkets and driven home in cars run on oil.....
In the United States, 400 gallons of oil equivalents are expended annually to feed each American http://www.mountainsentinel.com/content/eatingfossilfuels.pdf

Solar is great - but so expensive to set up. One of the up sides to the fuel crisis is that these alternatives become more viable. One issue is that the cost to manufacture the solar panels will go up as fossil fuel gets more expensive due to the huge amount of fossil fuel used to make them. This web site trys to disprove some of the myths regarding solar panels

http://www.seia.org/mythsandfacts.php

[Jonathan Dyer]

HHO Gas is better than all.

[GaryD]

But there's lots of conflicting information about its viability....at this point.

[inzane]

Maybe grain producing countries could form a grain cartel similiar to OPEC and sell grain for say $140 a bushell. Bet the price of oil would plummet. Funny, but you can't eat oil.


I Like It!!!

I work in research. We are making dye sensitised solar cells, which require no silicon (the expensive bit) and can be made quickly and easily out of material soooo thin it makes gold leaf look thick. We can stick it on any old cheap substrate, ie glass or PET, and even tune it to take certain wavelengths of light for energy conversion, while leaving the majority of visible light so too you its transparent. We are currently hitting about 10% efficiency rates which is good enough to be practical....and we are losing the race, many places are well ahead of us, so I say with some confidence that in the very near future (<3yrs) you will be seeing cheap effective solar cells everywhere. I believe sharp are testing glass building blocks that are layered with thin film cells on a test house in oz!

[Hamish]

I Like It!!!

I work in research. We are making dye sensitised solar cells, which require no silicon (the expensive bit) and can be made quickly and easily out of material soooo thin it makes gold leaf look thick. We can stick it on any old cheap substrate, ie glass or PET, and even tune it to take certain wavelengths of light for energy conversion, while leaving the majority of visible light so too you its transparent. We are currently hitting about 10% efficiency rates which is good enough to be practical....and we are losing the race, many places are well ahead of us, so I say with some confidence that in the very near future (<3yrs) you will be seeing cheap effective solar cells everywhere. I believe sharp are testing glass building blocks that are layered with thin film cells on a test house in oz!
That is the best news I have herd in a long time. It even influences my decision to buy old technology solar panels for my home - think I will wait for the cheap new tech to arrive. Keep up the good work!

You say these are currently 10% efficient - how does that compare to regular solar panels?

[echidna]

I take it that these are the photosynthetic type solar cells that mimic natural photosynthesis. There was a programme on Channel 31 here in Brisbane the other night about these and also the use of photosynthetic material in fuel cells. There was a Russian article a year or so ago about using photosynthetic material to clean-up coal/oil waste and wastewater and produce electricity as the by-product. Unfortunately too technical for my Russian ability, but an interesting concept.

[inzane]

Solarcells vary hugely in their efficiencies. The best are in the high 40%, but they are only affordable for specialist apps ie NASA. The normal ones you see about the place are usually in the range of 15-25%. Thin Film Cells will be cheap enough to place twice as much area and still save, so at 10% they are considered commercially viable. I think one research group in Switzerland, the guys that invented the 'photosynthetic' ones (you'll see them labelled as DSSC or Dye Sensitised Solar Cells), are runing at 15%. They are very different to photosynthesis, but they do use dyes to absorb the light, like leaves do, so its far easier to think of them like that! When we can mimic natural photosynthesis we really will be rocking!!!

Most of the dyes used at the minute are based around Rutherium, which makes them VERY expensive, ours is £20,000 per gram!!! Luckily that's enough for like a square mile, lol!

I think the russian project your talking about is a bit different. If its what I think, they plant appropriate plants, which absorb the pollutants, they then gassify or incinerate the harvested plants, generating electricity from the heat produced and capturing the pollutants (often heavy metals) from the exhaust and ash... Its Well Funky and shows what can be done when we work with nature!